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benndragon ([personal profile] brynndragon) wrote2009-05-30 11:17 am
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Invisible Privilege OTD

Men in Power - Men's advocacy group at U of Chicago, which amongst a slew of privilege observation fail notes that women earn more college degrees than men yet fails to notice that women still make less money than men. This does not assure me that they're anything more than a group of guys who are afraid of losing their privilege in the exceedingly gradual evening of the playfield between the genders.

[identity profile] australian-joe.livejournal.com 2009-06-02 03:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, they aren't getting much sympathy from me either.

I do think men aren't treated well by many social expectations and gender roles.

I also think women tend to be treated worse, and so it makes sense to concentrate on fixing the worse problem. I don't feel particularly hard done by as a man by that. I guess they do.

[identity profile] benndragon.livejournal.com 2009-06-02 03:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Valuing the feminine will lead to treating women better even when we're not doing masculine things like sacrificing family intimacy for career paths and breaking through glass ceilings. I'm sick of only having worth when I'm as good as a man while men have worth just for being male, you know?

(I'm not saying we didn't need to work on the concept of "women are as good as men", but I don't think we will have succeeded as a movement until "men are as good as women" is a viable statement rather than a joke.)

[identity profile] australian-joe.livejournal.com 2009-06-02 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Agree on all points!

I was noodling out loud about how it seems I started in a similar place to these men's groups ("social memes about gender roles hurt everyone, so by definition hurt men too") yet ended up in a very different place.

There are many ways today I very seriously wish men were as good as women. I suspect that's a kinda geeky thing though and definitely isn't widespread.