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benndragon ([personal profile] brynndragon) wrote2009-05-30 11:17 am
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Invisible Privilege OTD

Men in Power - Men's advocacy group at U of Chicago, which amongst a slew of privilege observation fail notes that women earn more college degrees than men yet fails to notice that women still make less money than men. This does not assure me that they're anything more than a group of guys who are afraid of losing their privilege in the exceedingly gradual evening of the playfield between the genders.

[identity profile] abilouise.livejournal.com 2009-05-30 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that there is a place for men to come together and form groups to talk about men-stuff without women present. I think about what consciousness-raising groups did for women in the 70s, and I wonder if a lot of men I know would have more interesting thoughts re: patriarchy and awareness of their own thoughts, feelings, crap, etc. if they could have the kind of conversations about masculinity, sex, work, identity and what their own personal desires might be that women like my mom were having 40 years ago. I think that our society already has plenty of "rah rah go dudes" but if men wanted to find safe spaces to be un-patriarchal together, that could only make the world better. But no, that's not what these UChicago dudes are doing.

[identity profile] benndragon.livejournal.com 2009-05-30 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I agree - tying it into [livejournal.com profile] earthdragon's comment above, men having conversations about being males in traditionally female jobs and roles and how masculinity works in a world where men are not privileged for being male is pretty damn vital and if that's what this group was about I'd support it. But it's really not - it's a bad joke getting out of hand.