brynndragon: (In Vitro)
benndragon ([personal profile] brynndragon) wrote2009-01-02 01:36 am
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Playing with your proteins

If you enjoy puzzles, you could be playing games for science!

[identity profile] nyren.livejournal.com 2009-01-02 07:21 am (UTC)(link)
That is incredibly awesome, if it actually turns out to be helpful. I find it hard to believe it is more helpful than a controlled (and much smaller) study of human problem solving algorithms, but I suppose sometimes quantity really does beat quality for analysis.

[identity profile] benndragon.livejournal.com 2009-01-02 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Why do you think it's about human problem solving rather than finding novel ways to fold proteins?

[identity profile] nyren.livejournal.com 2009-01-02 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, that's what I meant. A controlled study of the ways humans approach the problem of folding proteins, where they can survey the people and find why certain methods are used. But, I guess they can watch the progress of the humans who score the best and see what sorts of things they do to the protein in question, which is probably more useful in this case.

[identity profile] benndragon.livejournal.com 2009-01-02 05:36 pm (UTC)(link)
The point is to find the most likely way these proteins are folded, which is beyond our current problem-solving algorithms. The process of finding those unpredictable folds, while interesting (I hope they're collaborating with a psychologist who can get useful data from that information), is entirely beside the point. Which is good, because I strongly doubt a bunch of molecular biologists are going to want to come up with a study of human problem-solving that over a hundred years of looking into the matter hasn't tried yet (because if they were they'd be psychologists, not molecular biologists).

[identity profile] nyren.livejournal.com 2009-01-02 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, I think I'm completely misunderstanding the purpose of the test. I thought they were trying to improve their AI by augmenting their algorithms with human problem solving techniques as applied to this specific problem. But you're right, that's more CS/Psych than molecular biology despite the application. I guess they just need proteins folded various ways.

[identity profile] benndragon.livejournal.com 2009-01-02 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
It turns out there are people who are not CS geeks who work in science and don't want to wait for y'all to figure these things out ;P.

[identity profile] nyren.livejournal.com 2009-01-02 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, pssh, we're just jealous that people's brains run better software than we can write :P




Yet.

[identity profile] benndragon.livejournal.com 2009-01-02 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, the brain does have a bit of a headstart in the optimization department ;P.

[identity profile] nyren.livejournal.com 2009-01-02 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Then clearly, we need more research into digital sentience and computational neuroscience to get ahead.

[identity profile] roamin-umpire.livejournal.com 2009-01-04 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, fun - now I can play my master's thesis as a game. :P

[identity profile] benndragon.livejournal.com 2009-01-04 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
And if you were getting your masters in English Lit, you'd be playing this game ;P.